« Hedging Is Good For You | Main | CNBC Million Dollar Portfolio Challenge - Thursday, Week 5 »
Kos Tries To Pass Off Obama's Birth Certification As Birth Certificate
... without any attribution or mention of how it came into his possession, it should be noted. He divulges only that it is a scanned image, the edges of which he trimmed.
Unfortunately, he's more careful with document grooming than with authentication. It certainly appears genuine, but doesn't Markos at least want to bolster the document's credibility by describing the manner in which he got hold of it? Hawaii won't release birth records to non-family members, so it was either authorized and furnished by the campaign (mention of which would go a long way toward supporting its authenticity), obtained without authorization from a third party (which calls the document's integrity into doubt), or created from scratch.
Assuming the document is legit and obtained with the campaign's blessing (which I do), why wouldn't he say so? Sloppiness and/or a request by the campaign, I suppose.
But there's a bigger problem here than the document's chain of custody. It involves the difference between a "Certificate of Live Birth" and a "Certification of Live Birth". This is the latter, despite Kos' identification of it as the former.
Per the Department of Hawaiian Home Lands (a state agency that happens to detail the difference):
In order to process your application, DHHL utilizes information that is found only on the original Certificate of Live Birth, which is either black or green. This is a more complete record of your birth than the Certification of Live Birth (a computer-generated printout). Submitting the original Certificate of Live Birth will save you time and money since the computer-generated Certification requires additional verification by DHHL.
Indeed, the Kos document offers scant details, limited to name, gender, date, location, and names and races of parents.
To recap, the now mildly famous three speculations about why the Obama campaign was refusing to release this document were:
- Obama was born in Kenya and is not Constitutionally eligible to be President
- He was born Barack Muhammad Obama
- He was born Barry Obama
But while the summary certification disproves the Geraghty speculations, it says nothing about what I previously offered as a more plausible scenario - namely, that the full-length document might indicate Obama's parents were avowedly unmarried at the time of his birth (which would contradict Obama lore that they were in good faith married, but only later dissolved the marriage upon the revelation that Obama Sr. had never divorced his first wife in Kenya).
The abbreviated certification document eliminates information about parents' marital status, while the actual birth certificate (as specified in 1961) includes it. If the full certificate documents Obama's parents as knowingly unmarried in 1961, it doesn't make the candidate unfit on account of his parents' marital status, but the direct contradiction to what Obama has said in the past would fray yet another thread in his ever-unraveling backstory.
Previously: Wired: Obama's Birth Certificate; Tired: Whitey Video; Expired: Closet Muslim
Update: Pressed by his readers for some answers about how he got hold of the document, Kos simpers, "I asked the campaign ... This 'journamalism' thing actually works sometimes."
Nice to know that's campaign policy. Accordingly, I've asked them to provide a copy of the actual "certificate" (with secure information redacted), so the matter ought to be resolved shortly. You can go ahead and hold your breath.
Handcrafted by Flip on June 12, 2008 |
TrackBack
TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c572653ef00e55368eede8834
Listed below are links to weblogs that reference Kos Tries To Pass Off Obama's Birth Certification As Birth Certificate:
» Obamas Birth Certificate? from Pirate's Cove
So, good old Markos says he has a copy of Barack Obamas birth certificate. OK, great. But, call me skeptical.
First, where did he get it? According to the Hawaii Department of Health, he does not qualify to get a copy. Did he get it somewhere el... [Read More]
Tracked on Jun 12, 2008 1:12:05 PM
» Koss Obama Birth Certificate Fake? **UPDATE: Its a Live Birth Certificate - Kos states Obama Campaign gave it to him from Macsmind
Kos is gloating over producing Barack Obamas birth certificate. First, generally vital statistical records are not available to anyone except the subject of the record unless they have signed a release (Im checking Hawaiis laws).... [Read More]
Tracked on Jun 12, 2008 6:42:00 PM
Comments
really? you're concerned about the state of his parents marriage back in 1961 ? wow. you people are crazy.Posted by: cleek | Jun 12, 2008 1:30:54 PM
Cleek, And the Democrats are not? They started this charade with McCain. If the Obama camp nutjobs like DailyKosKrazies want to tar and feather McCain, do not be surprised to see it come back on Obama's frontdoor steps. To serve as President of this nation, I expect no less from the Press or blogs to force these issues. Afterall it was the far left nutters and press that demanded this from McCain. Cleek, you are clueless or a hypocrite. Take your lump of coal and stop whining. What is fair for one camp is fair for another. You may say the "chickens are coming home to roost"Posted by: Michael | Jun 12, 2008 1:41:20 PM
"really? you're concerned about the state of his parents marriage back in 1961 ? wow. you people are crazy." This is important information. If Obama's parents were not married, then he'll be ok with abolishing marriage for EVERYONE!Posted by: zzyzx | Jun 12, 2008 1:41:26 PM
Personally, I believe he was born as described in his bio, and is eligible to be President (at least by birth). That said, I think Kos is pulling a fast one.Posted by: William Teach | Jun 12, 2008 1:43:15 PM
And the Democrats are not? They started this charade with McCain. grow upPosted by: cleek | Jun 12, 2008 1:50:36 PM
The concern is over Obama's truthfulness, which is coming increasingly into question (e.g. he didn't know Wright and Pfleger were rabid racists, he was conceived in celebration of voting rights demonstrations held 4 years after his birth, he was a Constitutional law professor, President Kennedy personally rowed Obama's father across the Atlantic to the United States, etc.).Posted by: Flip | Jun 12, 2008 1:52:09 PM
Kos has posted the information about where he obtained the certification. He got it from the Obama campaign, all he had to do was ask. As if that should be any big suprise. I see it doesn't matter how much information you get there will always be another conspiracy theory about something you didn't get. Maybe he felt some of that information was none of your business. He gave you what you asked for and that should be enough. I personally don't care if they were married or not. Even if they weren't, that wouldn't necessarily mean that Obama knew they weren't married. After all he was a child when his parents split up.Posted by: Christine | Jun 12, 2008 1:56:06 PM
In the 60's in scool, we were taught the three major races on earth were caucasion, mongoloid and negroid. As those last two border on becoming pejorative words, despite no ill intent, those terms have been replaced with Asian and African in modern parlance. It's impossible to believe back in 1961 anyone would enter "African" for race. The term was not used that way back then.Posted by: ronny6 | Jun 12, 2008 2:18:54 PM
sorry about the typo. I meant "school" but I typed too fast.Posted by: ronny6 | Jun 12, 2008 2:22:10 PM
I got one for you. Maybe his father really wasn't his father. Maybe it was a virgin birth. Didya ever think of that? Maybe Obama isn't even black. If it was a virgin birth, and since his mom is white and OBVIOUSLY G-D isn't black, therefore Obama isn't black!!! Lets wait till October to spring this info. Wait till THEY find out HE has been lying to them about his race. There goes the black vote!!Posted by: flipuoff | Jun 12, 2008 4:18:57 PM
Ha ha ha. I think you knuckledraggers are really on to something this time! Keep digging!Posted by: SpaceCat | Jun 12, 2008 4:26:34 PM
When are my fellow left wingers going to follow the example of these brave citizen journalists and start getting into the real important issues? Like McCain's marriage? For those who remember the 1992 race, “character issues” was the euphemism to attack Bill Clinton for having a troubled personal life. Has the phrase been applied to Republican candidates with similar experiences? Not so much. It was interesting, then, to see this report in the UK’s Daily Mail about Mrs. McCain — the first one — who is “seldom seen and rarely written about, despite being mother to McCain’s three eldest children.” [H]ad events turned out differently, it would be she, rather than Cindy, who would be vying to be First Lady. She is McCain’s first wife, Carol, who was a famous beauty and a successful swimwear model when they married in 1965. She was the woman McCain dreamed of during his long incarceration and torture in Vietnam’s infamous ‘Hanoi Hilton’ prison and the woman who faithfully stayed at home looking after the children and waiting anxiously for news. But when McCain returned to America in 1973 to a fanfare of publicity and a handshake from Richard Nixon, he discovered his wife had been disfigured in a terrible car crash three years earlier…. When Carol was discharged from hospital after six months of life-saving surgery, the prognosis was bleak. In order to save her legs, surgeons had been forced to cut away huge sections of shattered bone, taking with it her tall, willowy figure. She was confined to a wheelchair and was forced to use a catheter. Through sheer hard work, Carol learned to walk again. But when John McCain came home from Vietnam, she had gained a lot of weight and bore little resemblance to her old self. “My marriage ended because John McCain didn’t want to be 40, he wanted to be 25,” she said. “You know that happens … it just does.” It’s quite a painful story, involving physical difficulties, infidelity, and divorce. McCain’s first wife insists she’s not bitter, but clearly the circumstances surrounding her accident and the break-up of her family are an unpleasant subject. Ross Perot, who paid for Carol’s medical care and introduced the McCains to Ronald and Nancy Reagan, said, “McCain is the classic opportunist. He’s always reaching for attention and glory.” Perot added, “After he came home, Carol walked with a limp. So he threw her over for a poster girl with big money from Arizona. And the rest is history.” Ouch. Now, I should clarify that as far as I’m concerned, McCain’s marital difficulties and adultery aren’t especially significant in this campaign, especially years later. I’m inclined to see a distinction made between public and private worlds. I defended Bill Clinton, and said his personal controversies had no bearing on his ability to be a good candidate and a good president, so I can’t very well turn around and say the opposite about McCain, no matter how badly he treated his first wife. But therein lies the point: if Clinton’s personal history was a matter of tremendous national significance as a candidate and as a president, then it’s not unreasonable to wonder why McCain isn’t subjected to the same scrutiny. I’d prefer both issues are off the table, but I’m hard pressed to imagine why only Democratic presidential candidates’ personal lives are of interest in the context of a national campaign. For that matter, if and when the U.S. media gives this any attention at all, it’ll be worth keeping an eye on the religious right. From an article I wrote two years ago: Carrie Gordon Earll, a spokesperson for Dobson’s Focus on the Family, recently made it clear that the adultery issue hasn’t lost any of its toxicity among evangelicals. “If you have a politician, an elected official, and they can’t be trusted in their own marriage, how can I trust them with the budget? How can I trust them with national security?” she asked me. Although Earll was reluctant to discuss specific politicians, she noted that a candidate who “had an affair and then moved on and restored that marriage” might find forgiveness with Christian conservatives, but someone “who had an affair and then left his wife” would not. And guess who that applies to? http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/06/10/meet-john-mccains-wife-no-not-that-onePosted by: John | Jun 12, 2008 4:29:22 PM
"African" for race. The term was not used that way back then. Yup, that's right, the term "African" was only coined in 1984 by a Regan appointee who was trying to describe that huge continent that sits across the Atlantic ocean from God's chosen land. I mean, you guys had better start packing, because we know that Islamofascist secret angry Negroid Obama is gonna send all whitey's to re-education camps. That being said, could we please see McCain's birth certificate? We know for fact he was not born in the United States, and that coupled with the fact that he's a confused, angry, bitter and silly man, with supporters like this collection of Mensa members, means he's probably a secret terrorist Manchurian candidate who is going to make all of us eat Metamucil every day. You guys are funnier the the Daily Show.Posted by: HumboldtBlue | Jun 12, 2008 4:31:07 PM
Is 'pathetisad' a word? If so, we've found the definition. Congratulations.Posted by: tgb1000 | Jun 12, 2008 4:32:16 PM
UNBELIEVEBLE THAT THE MSM WONT LOOK INTO THIS I GUES THIS IS WHY THE SILENT JEEHAD IS SO SUCSESSFULL! IT IS COMMEN NOWLEDGE THAT OBBOMA IS A MOSSLEM IT IS COMMEN NOWLEDGE THAT OBBOMA WASNT EVEN BORN IN AMMERICA BECASE HAWAI WASNT EVEN ***PART*** OF AMERECA IN THOSE DAYS I CANT BELEAVE HOW STUPID THE LIBDONKS ARE!!!!!! WELL DONT BLAME ME WHEN OBBAMA ENTRODUCES SHAREA AND WE ALL HAVE TO WORSHIP VISHNU SEVEN TIMES A DAY!!!!!!Posted by: Cobb Bolker | Jun 12, 2008 4:34:46 PM
Cobb Bolker You realize Hawaii got statehood in 1959, right?Posted by: andrew | Jun 12, 2008 4:51:45 PM
LEAVE IT TO A LIBDONK TO CHANGE THE SUBBJECT WHEN BACKED INTO A CORNER WHEN CONNFRONTED WITH COLD HARD FACTS!!!! HOW CAN ANYWON BEALIVE THIS BIRTH SERTIFICATE IS REAL?!?!?!?! ITS GOT THE WRONG YEAR ITS GOT A DESEGNATION OF RACE THAT WASNENT EVEN IN USE IN THE 50S AND THE FORGER WAS SO STUPID HE LISTED TOO DADS INSTEAD OF ONE!!!!! LAST I CHECKED STANNLY WAS A MANS NAME!!!!!! YOU LIBDONKS SHURE ARE DESPRETT!!!!!Posted by: Cobb Bolker | Jun 12, 2008 4:52:04 PM
If a right-wing blog posted John McCain's birth cert, and a left-wing blog claimed it was fake, all you wingnuts would be up in arms. Grow up.Posted by: Spaticus | Jun 12, 2008 5:09:39 PM
Cobb - Congratulations on your cutting mimicry of them ignorant, gun-clinging right wingers. But there's no need to yell.Andrew - don't feed the trolls.
Posted by: Flip | Jun 12, 2008 5:11:35 PM
John McCain's probably a secret terrorist Manchurian candidate? Hell no! He made a propaganda video for the North Vietnamese that'd make Jame Fonda blush. There's no secret about it.Posted by: markg8 | Jun 12, 2008 5:21:56 PM
By concentrating on the word African, you're all missing the REAL real point: they didn't have laser printers back in 1961. This document has to be a phony. That, or a legally qualified custodian of the original record issued a certified transcript of the original and adopted the modern usage of the term African where it said Negro or something else in the original.Posted by: Genealogist | Jun 12, 2008 5:32:32 PM
There is only one candidate for president born outside of the US John Sidney "Grumpy McSame"Posted by: truthy ness | Jun 12, 2008 5:37:56 PM
maybe you people should go to Iraq and then you wouldn't spend all this time masturbating over nonsense.Posted by: wingnuts to iraq | Jun 12, 2008 6:42:50 PM
I'm inspired by the way McCain kicked his wife to the road, and drove the bus over her a couple of times. Who cares that she stayed next to him when he was a POW. I bet her tits were getting saggy, and she doesn't have the kind of cash flow his new blondie has. That's honor I can stand behindPosted by: mcain's wife is hot | Jun 12, 2008 6:45:20 PM
LEAVE IT TO A LIBDONK TO CHANGE THE SUBBJECT WHEN BACKED INTO A CORNER WHEN CONNFRONTED WITH COLD HARD FACTS!!!! HOW CAN ANYWON BEALIVE THIS BIRTH SERTIFICATE IS REAL?!?!?!?! ITS GOT THE WRONG YEAR ITS GOT A DESEGNATION OF RACE THAT WASNENT EVEN IN USE IN THE 50S AND THE FORGER WAS SO STUPID HE LISTED TOO DADS INSTEAD OF ONE!!!!! LAST I CHECKED STANNLY WAS A MANS NAME!!!!!! YOU LIBDONKS SHURE ARE DESPRETT!!!!! Posted by: Cobb Bolker | Jun 12, 2008 4:52:04 PM Lemme guess........... proper spelling is for pussies, right? What a tool.Posted by: joeyess | Jun 12, 2008 7:02:28 PM

